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jimmy Obso says, (Obso is a fictitious character, who should not be taken seriously, or read at all for that matter!) "I like to zero in on a particular hair. I tickle it with my tongue. Then when other hairs lean in, I touch them, but only slightly. I leave them wanting more! Back focusing on the hair that I am painting I paint the hairs with my tongue! I use only the finest grumbacher acrylic paints, dipping my tongue gently into their mixes. I swirl my tongue around, to achieve the best blends. Then, one hair at a time, I paint, I tickle the hairs, gently." Sorry! That was bad! Awwa is a bad boy! (Delete or censor if necessary!) Peace and tickles! Awwa \A/
Aw That was funny! Thanks Jimmy! "You really can't make a mess, if you use Messo!" Examining genuine velvet paintings might offer clues. Yardsales/Flea Markets may be good grounds for research. Otherwise, "Messo is your best bet at tickling those hairs right!" Awwa \A/
Aw velveteen would make more sense, really. Try that... And jimmy you are hilarious. heh heh.
Miss Speck and the Giant Librarians LOL! Jimmy, thank you for that. I wonder if "velvet paintings" are actually on the short pile velveteen instead of the kind of real velvet that I have. I haven't seen a velvet painting in a while, but in my memory of the ones I have seen, the threads are fairly short.
Anna Haha, nice Jimbo. I though this was pretty sad: Ford's average vehicle mpg is lower than 1903 Model T.
chiefwagonburner LOL Jimmy! All right, I'll come out of lurkdom for that. I've been around, but experiencing a shortage of slack time. Anyone who has any spare slack on their hands, I could use some. Baby and I are both well. She is getting to be quite a funny kid. Last night, my cat was sleeping on my stomach, and baby started kicking him upside the head. Hard. The fur must have been enough of a buffer, the cat didn't even twitch an ear. Maybe he thought I didn't kill my food properly before eating it - you know how they take their first bite of catfood, and shake it vigorously to break whatever's left of its neck. As a kid, I bought a velvet paint-by-number set at a yard sale. It was cheapie velvet, more like flocked paper. I think the paints in the kit were acrylic. They did gunk up on the brush.
coop  "I've tried trimming. I've tried waxing. I just can't get rid of these unsightly velvet hairs!" Maybe you need something that's stronger, last's longer and other masculine sexual euphemisms! You need something that will clean up that downy velvet mess. You need the power of Messo!     Tickle the hairs gently...with Messo!
jimmy Miss Speck, trimming is worth a shot. I hadn't thought of it, but you are right, the length of the fiber does pose a problem. Maybe I can take a razor blade to it. Hmmmm. Awwa, "tickle the hairs gently"?! Heheheh. I like it. Yeah, I think acrylic is the way to go. I also tried mixing some powdered pigment into Liquin, which had about the same effect as acrylic, except for the fact that Liquin has some deadly fumes.
Anna In this, the Lord's year of 2003, June 5, I officially declare myself to be a demiliterized zone! It's not so much that I'm harrassed by military personnel, as it is a statement of my offence to such pre-emptive intervention! We should all declare ourselves DMZ's! PEACE of the Individual! Okay, now other stuff! Velvet paintings... gosh, I don't have a clue! Except that the obvious may be the answer. Many of these paintings were created quickly and cheaply, thus maximizing their return in sells. Initially work as cheaply as possible, and perhaps later, remain material/painting supplies frugal. I imagine that you want to work with acrylics. Correct me if otherwise. Oils may breakdown the fabric, andf water colors nor tempra will do! But there is the key, you are painting the fabric. Have you approached it as though you are painting/brushing the fibers, the hairs of the fabric? You may need no gesso, no pre/under-painting. I am not versed in this media, but perhaps you tickle the hairs gently with the colors of your imagination. Back painting glass painting, now there is a challenge. You paint the outer colors first, then build backgrounds as needed. the beauty is when you turn it over and see how the first strokes stand out, with overpainting only accompkishing the undercoats. It's cool! Now here's an Art question, how does one paint a saw? One of those long, two-manned saws, and especially if it's old and rusted? I had a request once, didn't have a clue as to how to begin. Although a good coat of gesso might do the trick! "HIJKLMNO" could mean "Humbly I Just Kid Laughing My Nose Off!" The DMZed One, Awwa \A/
Aw this is kind of a random thought, but maybe if you trimmed the nap of the velvet down on the parts that you wanted to paint, that would work. It might be hard to do or look weird or something, but I'm figuring that the length of the fibers is what's messing up the gesso. anyhoo, just an idea.
Miss Speck and the Giant Librarians One option might be layering. Starting the painting with very thin (lots of medium) paint, then painting over that with your full colors. The first layer of thin medium and paint should be fairly easy to apply and will give you a better surface to start with (I assume you are using acrylics?).
chiefwagonburner I didn't try stretching the small piece I'm using as a tester, but I most likely would stretch whatever I use for the actual painting. Otherwise the fabric becomes really prone to wrinkles/waves/ripples. The difficulty is getting the paint to apply evenly, and I doubt the stretching of it would make a difference in that regard, because the texture and content of the fabric are causing it to resist.
Anna Good ideas, the velvet would look great as night sky/space. Are you stretching the velvet (placing it in a frame I mean) to paint on it, or is the difficulty more in getting the paint to apply evenly to the texture of the velvet?
chiefwagonburner Haha, oh man, that is an awful pun, Ashok.
jimmy Where there's a will there's a way and the way is... (drum rool) HASH COOKIES! No smoke and all the pleasure. So I hear, I don't indulge myself you understand! Came across this in an old joke book: What is this chemical? HIJKLMNO Answers on a postcard to the usual address. And please remember to put a stamp on. Last time I paid a fortune in postage charges. You guys are funny but money is a whore of many talents. The usual prize to the first correct answer opened. Hope you're well Coop.
Ashok I have in my posession, because I've used them in preparing canvases in the past, 3 colors of gesso: black, blue, and white. I tried some of the black gesso on a test strip a few days ago to see what would happen, and it didn't apply evenly at all. I also experimented with painting the gesso on the reverse side of the fabric to give the material some structure and denseness. It definitely helped, but not enough that I felt I could pull off what I want to do. I guess if I add a base layer I'll have to do it only on the areas that won't be painted on, because it does mess up the fabric. I have a couple of ideas about subject matter. One is a telescope (the kind one finds in a large observatory). The other is several small starscapes.
Anna Well maybe you're only supposed to gesso the parts that you're going to paint over instead of the whole thing like you'd do with canvas. My friend Josh loves gesso. He gessos everything. He gessoed the old tv that he gave me. Including the numbers for where the channels are and then he painted 12-3-6-9, like a clock, over the original numbers on the dial so that you can't tell what channel you're on. Pesky. But I love it.
Miss Speck and the Giant Librarians I feel like shite.
jimmy Anna - I have only ever seen white base gesso - I would think that using gesso would ruin the velvet look you are going for. Or are you just looking to add it to some existing piece? I know you can use clear medium with multiple coats as a base instead of gesso, that might be a better way to do it. Most of the traditional velvet paintings that I have seen seem like they don't have any base at all - the velvet is still velvety. It is possible that they are ignoring all canvas type preparation and just painting directly on the velvet - after all, most people painting an Elvis don't expect the owners care if the paints and colors are corroded over time. I can smoke a hookah with no problem, it feels smooth. But I pay for it. The next day I feel like shite.
chiefwagonburner We smoked 'honey dew melon'. I liked the apple stuff too when I tried it. Usually I can't smoke anything. Menthols, lite ciggies or vitamin thc, just the slightest hint of smoke from anything at all will choke me and send me sprawling and drooling into an unpopulated corner of the party out of embarrasment. This is part of the reason cigarettes or pot never caught on with me in highschool. ALL of my friends were class A potheads. Including my girlfriend. I dunno, maybe it was my asthma. It's amazing that these hookahs don't bother me at all. It goes in smoothe and I can hold it in for awhile if I want to. Last night's hookah was a difficult smoke though; too hard to suck in! I thought I was going to collapse a lung. We were smoking outside, and people walking by were fascinated and several people even took tokes. I was pretty dizzy by the end of the night so I guess I was hitting it too hard and wasn't smoking casually enough. Fun though.
jimmy Well, whatever you do with your velvet paintings, you have to let us see them. What are you gonna paint? I love whatever it is already, purely because it's gonna be on velvet... hee hee! I used to smoke hookahs a lot in Egypt, except they called them shishas there. Apple tobacco was the popular thing there, or honey, but I always prefered just the regular unadulterated stuff. Otherwise it was a bit on the sweet side. It's quite a smooth smoke I must say. ah, yes...
Miss Speck and the Giant Librarians Whoa, I have no idea what it means but it's more info than I've come across yet! Heh...well, okay. I know what matt (e) medium is, and I know what gesso is. Oxygenation?? I'm not making etchings or anything! :) I've never been to one of those hookah bars. It sounds kinda cool, but I doubt my lungs would tolerate it. Ever since I had bronchitis, even the slightest amount of smoke makes me retch. Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
Anna Ha! I just talked to a friend, Anna, he said: "She'll need some matt medium [then he mumbled something about oxygenation], and definitely she'll need to follow it up with some gesso". I don't know what these things are or if the spelling is correct. I just got back from a hookah bar. It was a little inane, but enjoyable. I liked the taste. We had 'honey dew melon' tobacco.
jimmy Hahah. I just had a vision of myself going down to TJ to roam the streets yelling... "ˇAyúdeme! ˇNecesito a un pintor del terciopelo! Por favor."
Anna I have though, seen tons of sites referring to velvet as a Mexican art medium, as though it began there. It's pretty popular on the border too. You'd probably meet some actual velvet medium painters in Rosarito or Tijauna. I mean...if you were desperate and the 2.5 hour drive didn't sound stifling.
jimmy Strange, isn't it? One could find just about any sort of arts/crafts thing they could dream up on the web, but not that. Hmph.
Anna Anna, I looked and looked but couldn't find anything.
jimmy Here comes the Geckoman.
chiefwagonburner Okay, this is an odd question but... Does anyone know how to paint on velvet? I've been doing searches on the web for info but I can't find a thing! There are plenty of pictures of velvet Elvis but that doesn't tell me anything. Lemme know if you come across anything. Thanks.
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